Compare Or Contrast

       All the players on the field at one time could get mighty confusing. So it was for my ancestors and, my genealogist brain looking backward to this theater in time. Who calls the plays anyway? The following figure is drawn to try and show a "big picture" between the teams playing in this game of life. Thought it would be helpful to compare and contrast the "huddle 'up" groups posted the last several listings. The key factors discussed in the posts are shown in the columns under each team.

       What do you think? First row listed is the ethic origins. The second row is the Y-DNA haplogroup. The third row is the language spoken. Thought, ever so often, would continue the factors discussed in this format, as time goes by. Compare or contrast!

Huddle 'Up Celts

        The upper valley of the Danube, along the middle Rhine was the first playing field of this Teutonic franchise. Yes sir, Teutonic it seems and, my "Y-Chromosome Phylogenetic Tree" would place these folks as Haplogroup R. Here we go again, the same beginning haplogroup as the Saxon but, events will move on down the hallways of time and, mutations would produce some distinctive changes. Anyhow, they also were an Indo-European speaking team of folks who played their way southward and westward to lands west of the Rhine.

       Certain factors need to be considered as they were my ancestors of the day. First, they had been on this "Island of the Mighty" [the way my ancestors saw this place] for hundreds of years before any of the other teams even got close! Let's see now, Norman-French 1066 A.D., Saxons ca. 400 A.D., the Church before 300 A.D. and my Celtic ancestors around 500 B.C.! Say what!! Almost a thousand years before the other teams even got into this game of life. A few exercise fields would have been planted. Wonder if this is why my Welsh ancestors considered their family a "plant"? 

       A second factor to be considered is their earliest name. Cimbrians, Cimbri, Cimbrias, Cymric appear on some early name calling days. These names appear in use before the Romans huddled their teams along the Danube. Wow, names, names, and more names were used. Much will yet to be discussed about the "Cymry".

P.S. One of my earliest guidebooks to Wales, "Blue Guide Wales", states on page 28, "The name Wales derives from the Anglo-Saxon 'wealas' meaning 'foreigners'." Hum ... more to come. This book is by John Tomes, 7th edition, A & C Black (Publishers), London, 1990.

Huddle 'Up The Church

       Unique among the teams competing on the fields of life during this hallway of time, was the Church. Their foundation originates in a land much more eastward than the Normans and Saxons. Palestina was the franchise location and interestingly, one man seemed to start the game plan.

       My Y-Chromosome Phylogenetic Tree would place these guys as haplogroup J. Starting where they began, branches north and south evolved westward joining with a host of other haplogroups bringing a variety of combinations of Y-DNA! A lot will be said using the comment section of this post. However, it seems that one cannot place graphs, pictures, drawings, etc., in the comment section, so now it would be the place to present the key concepts of the Church in the documents so envisioned.

       So here goes. First, the very foundation of Christianity can be shown in the original text as follows. The intent is to give the recorded text as written in the Greek.

       You can visualize and read the text as written.

 

       The next figure gives the same text, only with an English meaning, written for each word in the Greek. This gives a translation to the Greek words which you can compare word for word. No comments from me!

Sources: Greek Testament, Bible Society of Wurttemberg, Stuttgart, 1898. (Textus Receptus, University Press, Cambridge, 1876) p. 248.

                The Zondervan Parallel New Testament in Greek and English, Zondervan Corporation, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1975. p. 273.

Huddle 'Up Saxon

       The second major team to compete on these fields of life took their franchise from the Teutonic tribes. They lived most of their spring training days north of the Danube River and, their home was felt to be on the Baltic Sea.  

       My Y-Chromosome Phylogenetic Tree would place these players among haplogroup R. This haplogroup, through male descent, would spread widely among the numerous related teams. From their earliest days of play calling, they developed one of the major Indo-European speaking languages. As noted in post "Changes" [26 April, 2025], this language became the national language of all players in 1362! You must also note that these Saxon players had been on the various fields of play for centuries against my Celtic ancestors. All sorts of Saxon teams would come and go, even leaving at one time, that most famous goal line called Offa's. At any rate, these folks (Saxons) had been around a very long time before those French speaking Norman took the field. So here we go, all those family tree climbers of Saxon descent. Suspect there will be many comments (play calls) yet to come among this huddle 'up group.

Huddle 'Up Norman French

       Hopefully, this post will become a pattern for those folks joined on the same team (cultural groups) that competed upon the football fields of life against my Celtic, to become Welsh, and ultimately to become my Jones surname ancestors. So here we go.

       Norman-French has been the name applied to their franchise but, it was neither Norman or French. It was Scandinavian! Can you believe it? My "Y-Chromosome Phylogenetic Tree" calls these players "haplogroup I". Their earliest training days, involving a peninsula of 1/3 water and, 1/3 mountains, would certainly be called "winter ball", since winter months were 1/2 the player's year! You would probably want to huddle around a warm fire most of the time awaiting the next quarterback's call!

        From here on, the comment section will focus a topic of discussion about this team. On and on it might go as the topics expand along this hallway of time and, the relationship to my Jones surname ancestors. Buckel 'up, and by the way huddle 'up.

Copyright Still Enforce

       This July 2025 begins the 25th year of this blog The Jones Genealogist ! Can you believe it? Where, when, and how have all the years flowed down their hallways of time? Anyway, just a note to all the viewers from around the world. The copyright to all the blogs and family newsletters still exist. Since 1989 on down to today. Here's some views.

       Family newsletter front which was started May/June 1989.

      First copyright page shown above.

       From 1989 to 2025 and beyond ... who would have guessed? First star to the left!

Brothers

       Not alone among the family tree branches at anyone generation are the siblings, those sisters and brothers.  Howel (JM-1) son of Llewelyn (JL-1) has been discussed among the branches but, his brothers would give alternate routes for those trying to connect them to their own Jones surname family tree. Here are the known brothers to my own Howel (JM-1) that might help hold connecting points to others who have reached this pathway just after the black-death of the 1350s.

      The first brother is Jevan (JM-3) son of Llewelyn (JL-1). That French spelling gets past along! The second brother is Madog (JM-4) son of Llewelyn (JL-1). My imagination in younger days would laugh and think this would be pronounced - "Mad-Dog" - a just name among my family tree thinking this would have been the youngest brother! [My place among my own family! see post of November 23, 2010] Brothers indeed, youngest and all.